Behind Martinrea’s Strength: Pat D’Eramo’s No-Fear, People-first Leadership

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When Pat D'Eramo entered the auto industry four decades ago, leadership looked very different. Power meant control. Leaders gave orders, and people followed—or else. But even back then, Pat knew there had to be a better way.

That mindset was reinforced early in his career, thanks to a unique experience at Saturn. Unlike the traditional plants of the time, Saturn was built on collaboration. And it showed Pat what leadership could look like when people are trusted, not micromanaged. One mentor in particular left a mark—showing Pat the value of coaching, not commanding.

That experience shaped everything that followed.

Now CEO of Martinrea International, Pat leads with that same belief: give people room to grow, back them up when things go wrong, and never punish someone for trying to do the right thing. He talks openly in this episode about moments where he could've fired someone—but chose not to. Because if they've learned from it, they come back stronger. And strong people build strong companies.

That philosophy was put to the test during the toughest times: COVID shutdowns, supply chain breakdowns, EV delays, and now tariffs. Instead of reacting with fear, Pat leaned into the structure—clear goals, tight alignment, and regular check-ins across teams. That's how Martinrea stayed focused while the industry shifted around them.

But Pat isn't just focused on one company. He's looking at the industry as a whole—and doesn't sugarcoat it. China's ahead. North America isn't ready to build a car from scratch. And government policy? It's a mess. But he offers a way forward: unified action across the USMCA, strategic investment, and—above all—a culture that supports innovation—not fear.

But Pat isn't all business. Jan takes a moment to explore the personal side—his favorite bands, his go-to shows, and even his love for sci-fi audiobooks during long drives. It's a reminder that leadership isn't just what you do at work—it's how you carry yourself through everything.

Themes discussed in this episode:

• Why empathetic leadership drives long-term success in automotive
• Creating a culture where mistakes lead to growth, not termination
• Building a resilient culture through crises like COVID, EV delays, and tariffs
• Why treating people with respect is the foundation of organizational performance
• North America’s EV supply chain crisis and what’s fueling the breakdown
• Why North America can’t build a car alone—and what needs to change
• The leadership traits needed to lead through uncertainty and drive transformation in the auto industry.

Featured guest: Pat D’Eramo

What he does: Pat D’Eramo is the CEO of Martinrea International and a member of its Board of Directors. He brings over four decades of experience in the automotive industry, with deep expertise in metal forming and parts manufacturing. Before joining Martinrea, Pat served as President of Dana Corporation’s Commercial Vehicle Technology group, where he led global operations across the Americas, Europe, India, Australia, and China. Since 2014, he has overseen Martinrea’s global operations, including manufacturing, engineering, purchasing, logistics, sales, and business development—playing a key role in the company’s continued growth and performance.

Episode Highlights:

[01:55] How I Lead: Pat shares the kind of leadership that gets people to take risks, own the plan, and show up stronger—because they know you’ll stand with them.

[04:09] Built Different from Day One: Early in his career, Pat got a front-row seat to collaborative leadership at Saturn—an experience that shaped his people-first approach while the rest of the industry stuck to command and control.

[08:35] Building Strong Leaders: Pat shares why he doesn’t fire people for one mistake—and how those moments often lead to the strongest leaders in the company.

[15:01] More Than Just Posters: At Martinrea, values like respect and “leave it better” aren’t just words on a wall—they’re lived every day, from the shop floor to the boardroom.

[17:32] What China Got Right: Pat explains how Martinrea led through crisis after crisis—then calls out the uncomfortable truth: China’s winning because they plan long-term, and we don’t.

[28:22] Not the Boss, the Guide: After narrowing down 21 leadership traits, Pat lands on the one that defines his style—and it’s all about supporting others, not commanding them.

[30:25] Pat Off the Clock: From classic rock to sci-fi and action series, this quick dive into Pat’s personal side reminds us that even CEOs need great music, movies, and a good book on the road.

Top Quotes:

[03:05] Pat: “I always tell people a bad decision is better than no decision 'cause at least we learn something. I acknowledge, and to an extent, almost encourage some level of mistakes, because people learn from mistakes. Just don't sink the ship while you're at it. But if you don't have that environment, people won't take risks. And if you really wanna move ahead — in our business in particular, which is a very tough business — you have to have people who are willing to stick their necks out, and they'll do that if they know you have their back.”

[09:01] Pat: “Over my career, we've had some major issues that came up because some people make mistakes. Okay? There's a school of thought where — and I've been challenged — why don't you fire that person? They made this huge mistake that cost us dollars.  And I say, " Prior to this mistake, that person was a rock star. But suddenly they make a mistake, and that's what we're gonna do?" "That's what I would do," Somebody would say. And then I say, "Why would I take a person who's learned the most valuable lesson that they could possibly learn — know what not to do next time, and what to do next time correctly to never make a mistake like that again, and give them to a competitor? Why would I do that? We have a stronger person.”

[20:55] Pat: “No matter who you are, if you have any EV activity, you've been hurt. Okay? It just depends on what level. So now you've compounded that. And now the tariffs hit. So, what do you do to lead through that? It's getting everybody in a straight line. This is what we're going to do.  Talking about it every day.  Are we ahead? Are we behind?  Where's our weak point? Who's not on board? What do we have to do? Who do we have to escalate to? What do you need me, as the CEO, to do? Whatever it is.”

[23:40] Pat: “If you said, 'Okay, how do we catch up with China?" To me, it's three steps. First step is — and I know this is controversial — but you do have to inhibit their ability to come to North America initially to give you time. Yeah. Then the government has to participate.  That's how the Chinese did it. And I don't think we should do it like they did it, but our government needs to quit fighting about the border and tariffs and take the money that's being wasted and ask for investment.”

[25:40] Pat: “We need you to allow us to do what we know to do.  Because if you set targets in front of this industry, and you've seen it for years, you don't need to tell the OEMs what to build. You need to tell the OEMs what they need to do, what targets they need to reach, and they know what to build. Right now, they don't know what to build. They really don't know what to do in some ways. So, we're waiting on the new portfolio. The RFQs are slow because no one wants to invest in another vehicle until they know what it should be. It's a mess, and we need support, and we're not getting that. Yeah. And these tariffs are just making it worse.”

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