Best Of: Emma Stone / The Birth Of Psychedelic Science
Feb 3, 2024
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Emma Stone, Oscar-nominated actress for her starring role in Poor Things, discusses the film and her relationship with anxiety. The podcast also explores the complexities of relationships and cultural influences, anxiety as a superpower, Emma Stone's homeschooling experience, and the FX series Feud: Capote vs. The Swans. Additionally, the podcast delves into the study of altered states of consciousness and the cautionary tales of psychedelic science.
Margaret Mead and Gregory Bateson believed in using psychedelics to expand consciousness and heal society.
The Macy Circle, a group of scientists interested in altered states of consciousness, played a key role in the origins of psychedelic research and artificial intelligence.
Deep dives
Margaret Mead and Gregory Bateson's Vision of Expanding Human Consciousness
Margaret Mead and Gregory Bateson were utopians who believed in using plant-based psychedelics, hypnosis, and trans states to expand human consciousness and heal society. They saw science as a tool for positive change and worked to push the boundaries of understanding sexuality and gender as a spectrum. Mead's interest in psychedelics began during her field work with the Omaha tribe, where she saw peyote use as a modern coping mechanism. Later, in Bali, Mead and Bateson studied trance states and saw it as a way to transcend the individual ego and expand perception.
The Macy Circle and Early Psychedelic Research
Mead and Bateson were part of the Macy Circle, a group that brought together scientists interested in altered states of consciousness, psychology, and cybernetics. The Macy Conferences in the 1940s and 50s were a breeding ground for psychedelic research and the origins of artificial intelligence. The group explored hypnosis, truth drugs, and the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. Their work caught the attention of intelligence organizations and led to the division between public and secret branches of psychedelic research.
The Therapeutic Use of Psychedelics Then and Now
The current understanding and practice of psychedelic therapy aligns closely with the early visions of Mead and Bateson. It involves creating a comfortable environment, having supportive relationships, and setting intentions for the therapeutic experience. This approach echoes the work of the Macy Circle and emphasizes the importance of context and intentionality in achieving positive outcomes. Mead's concerns about the potential dangers of removing psychedelics from their cultural and ritualistic context remain relevant today.
Margaret Mead's Cautionary Note on Rapid Embrace of Psychedelics
Mead's lifelong study of cultural change and the impact of rapid societal transformations emphasized the potential risks and challenges associated with embracing psychedelics without careful consideration. She observed how rapid change could lead to apocalyptic cults, increased violence, and the formation of cults of personality. Mead's cautionary note reminds us to approach the therapeutic and recreational use of psychedelics with a balanced perspective and a nuanced understanding of their potential effects.
Emma Stone is nominated for an Oscar for her starring role in Poor Things. She spoke with Terry Gross about the film and her relationship to her anxiety.
David Bianculli reviews Ryan Murphy's FX anthology series Feud: Capote vs. The Swans.
Also, Benjamin Breen talks about his book, Tripping on Utopia: Margaret Mead, the Cold War, and the Troubled Birth of Psychedelic Science. It's about the pioneering work anthropologists Margaret Mead and Gregory Bateson did on the use of psychedelics as a way to expand consciousness, and how that later connected to government research on the use of psychedelics as a weapon.