Moving into a post serverless era with Jeremy Daly
Feb 2, 2024
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Jeremy Daly, serverless expert and visionary, discusses the concept of a post-serverless era and the challenges faced in cloud development. They explore the dismissive attitude towards serverless, the need for standardization, and the future of cloud development. They also emphasize the significance of trust-building and seamless updates in the cloud industry.
Serverless services should have a development version that scales down to zero, enabling better isolation and cost optimization during the development phase.
The success of serverless technology lies in it becoming the default approach, seamlessly handling infrastructure and distribution of code in the cloud.
Deep dives
Moving Towards a Post-Serverless World
The podcast episode discusses the concept of a post-serverless world and explores how serverless technology is becoming mainstream. The guest, Jeremy Daily, shares his insights on the evolution of serverless technology and its adoption by companies. He highlights the shift towards a mindset where serverless becomes the default way of building cloud applications, with developers leveraging the power of serverless services without explicitly thinking about the infrastructure. Jeremy emphasizes the importance of having a development version of serverless services that can scale down to zero, enabling better isolation and cost optimization during the development phase. He also discusses the need for AWS and other cloud providers to deliver productized patterns that simplify the development process and solve specific problems for customers.
The Significance of Serverless Adoption
The podcast delves into the concept of serverless adoption and whether it has reached mainstream status. Jeremy reflects on the definition of success for any technology, stating that true success is when the technology becomes commonplace and fades into the background, without developers needing to specifically implement it in a certain way. He notes how serverless services like DynamoDB, SQS, and S3 were already serving serverless-like functionality before the term "serverless" emerged. Jeremy highlights the massive adoption of serverless functions and the growth of an ecosystem of serverless components that have transformed the way applications are built in the cloud. He believes that for the majority of cloud applications today, serverless has become the default approach, even if not all services are serverless.
Challenges and Misunderstandings of Serverless
The podcast explores the challenges and misunderstandings surrounding serverless technology. Jeremy mentions that dismissiveness towards serverless often stems from a positioning and marketing problem, where the term "serverless" has been applied to various technologies, leading to confusion and misconceptions. He emphasizes the need for better understanding and education about serverless to combat dismissiveness. Jeremy also highlights the importance of distinguishing between serverless compute and the overall serverless mindset, mentioning that many companies are using serverless services without explicitly recognizing them as such. He believes that delivering a clear definition and dismantling misconceptions will help mitigate dismissiveness towards serverless.
The Vision of a Post-Serverless Era
The podcast discusses the vision of a post-serverless era and the future of cloud development. Jeremy describes the post-serverless era as a point where serverless becomes the default approach and the cloud environment seamlessly handles infrastructure and distribution of code across subsystems. He emphasizes the importance of scaling services to zero during development and leveraging the full capabilities of the cloud while minimizing costs. Jeremy envisions a future where developers write code and the cloud automatically figures out the optimal subsystems and provisions infrastructure. He also mentions the significance of finding the right level of abstraction and the potential role of companies like AMP in providing productized patterns to simplify cloud development.
The serverless community loves talking about serverless. Despite the amazing innovations happening all around us, we still talk about cold starts and scalability like they are new. But what if we didn't? What would it take to get to a post-serverless era? What does post-serverless even mean? Join Jeremy Daly and Allen Helton as they discuss what the future holds for serverless and how the game needs to change in order for us to build software faster and better than ever before.
About Jeremy
Jeremy is a senior technology leader with more than 25 years of experience managing the development of complex web and mobile applications for domestic and international businesses. Currently, he is the CEO at Ampt and an AWS Serverless Hero. He writes extensively about serverless on his blog and publishes a weekly newsletter about all things serverless called Off-by-none. Jeremy has a soft spot for helping people solve problems using serverless and frequently works with companies and individuals transitioning away from the traditional “server-full” approach. You can find him chatting about serverless on X, in several forums and Slack groups, and at conferences around the world.
Links
X - https://twitter.com/jeremy_daly
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremydaly
Jeremy's blog - https://jeremydaly.com
Off-by-none - https://offbynone.io
Ampt - https://getampt.com
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