The group dives deep into Wind and Truth, sharing their initial reactions and unraveling the complex character dynamics. They discuss Adolin's growth, the emotional stakes of Shallan’s journey, and the intricacies of relationships between Renarin and Rlain. The conversation gets lively with critiques on the Shinovar plotline and the implications of narrative choices. They also ponder future arcs, character deaths, and the exciting developments shaping the Stormlight Archive, all while navigating the delicate balance between humor and serious analysis.
The hosts provide a comprehensive overview of character development in 'Wind and Truth,' specifically praising Adolin's journey as a leader.
Kaladin's evolution as a herald is discussed in depth, highlighting the complexity of his emotional journey amidst newfound responsibilities.
Yasna's philosophical debate with Taravangian receives mixed reviews, with concerns about her character depth and perceived resolution.
The character Moash is critiqued for a lack of development and disappointing portrayal, reflecting broader themes of morality and revenge.
Speculation arises surrounding the Fourth Moon's symbolism and its potential connections to the overarching Cosmere lore.
Deep dives
Team Introduction and Overview of Hosts
The podcast begins with the introduction of the hosts and their excitement to discuss the latest developments regarding Brandon Sanderson's works. Each host shares their alias from the community, creating a bond with fellow fans. The casual banter sets a lighthearted tone while indicating the depth of their discussion on the subject matter. They quickly emphasize the magnitude of the book, aptly noting that major plot developments await.
Initial Impressions of 'Wind and Truth'
The hosts express a wide array of feelings towards 'Wind and Truth,' primarily praising the depth of character development while also sharing some criticisms. Many see this installment as an improvement over beta versions they previously reviewed, while others describe it as having a rushed feel in certain areas, particularly during the climax. The hosts show concern over how certain characters are treated throughout the plot. The collective enthusiasm for character arcs and the contentious ending is apparent, suggesting a lingering desire to discuss the intricacies of the narrative.
Character Reactions: Adolin and Kaladin's Growth
Discussion shifts towards the character arcs of Adolin and Kaladin, highlighting their development throughout the book. Adolin's growth as a leader and his journey through personal conflict is praised, with hosts reflecting on how his relationships shape his character. Kaladin's evolution as a herald is also a focal point, suggesting a blend of hope and despair as he navigates newfound responsibilities. The hosts emphasize the emotional weight of these arcs and their relevance to the overarching narrative.
The Complex Dynamics of Yasna and Taravangian
Yasna's debate with Taravangian is examined, with mixed feelings regarding her portrayal during their philosophical discussions. Some hosts argue that Yasna’s arguments lacked depth compared to previous works, which led to dissatisfaction with her handling of the debate's outcome. There is concern that Yasna’s character was reduced in this instance, undermining her established intelligence and making for an anticlimactic resolution. Ultimately, the mixed reception of this critical scene suggests a missed opportunity for showcasing Yasna’s skills as a scholar.
The Shadow of Moash and the Themes of Revenge
The podcast dives into the character of Moash and discusses the disappointment surrounding his arc. Criticism revolves around the characters' cartoonish villainy and the lack of substantial development in their motivations. The hosts highlight how Moash's actions serve as a reflection of broader themes of revenge and morality, but ultimately fall flat when it comes to delivering a satisfying narrative. Although there are interesting threads to explore, the consensus is that Moash did not live up to expectations.
The Inclusion of Ba-Ami Mishram and the Implications
Ba-Ami Mishram's character is discussed, with hosts showing a mixture of excitement and frustration regarding her portrayal. While her connection to the plot serves to elevate tension, there is concern that she was underutilized, missing opportunities for impactful actions. The hosts reflect upon her potential as a dynamic character, wishing to see her grow and evolve further in future installments. Overall, the discussion of Ba-Ami Mishram raises questions about the treatment of characters and plot possibilities moving forward.
Reflection on the Fourth Moon and the Shadows of the Past
The mystery surrounding the Fourth Moon is introduced, raising questions about its symbolism and relationship to the plot. Some hosts speculate on its connections to the broader Cosmere and its implications for various characters. The excitement over potential lore surrounding the moon presents theories, adding a layer of intrigue to the podcast. The hosts emphasize a desire for answers, showcasing their passion for the material and engagement with its complexities.
Concerns About Character Development and Future Directions
As the discussion comes to a close, the hosts express concerns about the future directions of various characters, particularly with the 10-year time jump looming. Speculation arises about how this time gap may affect character arcs and relationships, especially concerning new developments like parenthood. The potential loss of nuance and growth during this transition generates apprehension among the hosts. Nevertheless, there is an underlying optimism about the possibilities that the back half of the series may bring.
Hopes and Expectations for the Back Half of the Series
The final part of the podcast revolves around a hopeful outlook for the back half of the series, acknowledging that while there are areas needing improvement, the foundation laid is still strong. The hosts express excitement for the developments regarding various characters and the revelations to come. The anticipation of brandon's exploration of deep themes and character conflict keeps the discussion lively as they look forward to the unfolding narrative. Their camaraderie shines through, signifying a shared passion for the works of Brandon Sanderson.
The fifth Stormlight book, Wind and Truth, is out, and in this episode we talk about it in full! So warning, many spoilers abound here! Also, this is by far our longest episode ever, at just under FOUR HOURS long. Strap in, everyone.
This episode we have Eric (Chaos), Ian (Weiry), David (Windrunner), Jessie (Lady Lameness), Veronica (Cheyenne Sedai), and Will (#1 Taln Fan).
Thumbnail is the Battar endpage in Wind and Truth, by the amazing Miranda Meeks: https://coppermind.net/wiki/File:Battar_Endsheet.jpeg
0:00:00 Introductions
0:02:08 Initial Thoughts
0:17:26 Decompressing About The Ending
0:46:02 (Positive Comments) Adolin
1:15:29 Renarin and Rlain
1:24:08 Dalinar and Navani
1:47:02 Some Shallan stuff
1:55:12 (Start of Complaining) Shinovar Plotline
2:23:18 Jasnah
2:39:57 Sigzil and Venli
2:57:48 Ba-Ado-Mishram
3:09:35 Shallan's Pregnancy
3:16:49 (Other Stuff) Fourth Moon
3:24:58 Kharbranth
3:34:30 Shard Stuff!
3:39:13 Wrap-up Thoughts
If you like our content, support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/17thshard
For discussion, theories, games, and news, come to https://www.17thshard.com
Come talk with us and the community on the 17th Shard Discord: https://discord.gg/17thshard
Want to learn more about the cosmere and more? The Coppermind Wiki is where it's at: https://coppermind.net
Read all Words of Brandon on Arcanum: https://wob.coppermind.net
Subscribe to Shardcast: http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:102123174/sounds.rss
Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to wtcc@17thshard.com
Get the Snipd podcast app
Unlock the knowledge in podcasts with the podcast player of the future.
AI-powered podcast player
Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features
Discover highlights
Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode
Save any moment
Hear something you like? Tap your headphones to save it with AI-generated key takeaways
Share & Export
Send highlights to Twitter, WhatsApp or export them to Notion, Readwise & more
AI-powered podcast player
Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features
Discover highlights
Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode
