“In this season of my life, I’m not concerned with ego. I’m just trying to figure out how to serve and how to do the right things.”

So says four-time Grammy-award-winning rapper Lecrae on this episode of The Russell Moore Show. This lack of concern with ego hasn’t always been easy. Lecrae, whose two most recent Grammy wins occurred this year, shares that he had to spend a lot of time learning that God is the one who determines who he is. He and Moore discuss imposter syndrome, performance, and comparison. Their conversation covers anxiety, depression, and how God enters into our dark moments.

Lecrae and Moore talk about what deconstructing really means. They also consider how Western exceptionalism arises in Christian spaces, including a reckoning with lauded historical theologians who were slaveholders. They also talk about how Lecrae views the music industry, the importance of close friends when fame is part of your life, and what it looks like to live as though death has no power over us.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Lecrae
Church Clothes 4
“Your Power”
I Cheerfully Refuse by Leif Enger
God Gave Rock and Roll to You: A History of Contemporary Christian Music by Leah Payne
“W.W. Jay-Z?”
“Underneath the Door”

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