The hosts discuss usury and its misconceptions, skepticism towards changing traditions, and the importance of reading relevant documents. They explore the nature of usury, the defense of it today, and frustration with individuals dismissing Church teachings. They explore the beliefs and practices of the SSPX, including their rejection of papal authority. The podcast also delves into the condemnation of usury in the Bible and the concept of 'lucrum cesans' and its implications beyond financial loss.
Usury, charging interest on loans, is condemned in the Bible and by the Church, emphasizing that one should not desire more than they have given in a loan regardless of the borrower's wealth or purpose of loan.
Usury is not just an external act but an internal disposition, highlighting that the sin of usury cannot be justified by factors like the amount of interest, the borrower's wealth, or the use of borrowed money for productive purposes.
The condemnation of usury still applies in the modern economy, dismissing arguments of justifying usury through guaranteed return on investments and affirming that usury creates enmity and inequality, contradicting the principles of genuine friendship and love.
Deep dives
Usury is condemned in the Bible and the Church's tradition.
The podcast discusses how usury, charging interest on loans, is condemned in the Bible and is a consistent teaching of the Church. The church upholds the principle that one should not desire more than they have given in a loan, regardless of the amount, whether it is a small or large gain. This teaching applies regardless of the borrower's wealth, and even if the borrowed money is used for productive purposes. The condemnation of usury is rooted in the idea that contractual relationships should not create enmity or inequality between individuals.
The qualitative nature of usury
The podcast explores how usury is not just an external act, but an internal disposition. It emphasizes that usury goes beyond the amount of interest charged and considers the inherent desire to gain more than what is given in a loan. The podcast highlights that the sin of usury cannot be justified by arguing that the gain is small or moderate, that the borrower is rich, or that the borrowed money is used for productive purposes. It contends that true friendship and love cannot be perverted by using a loan as a means to increase personal wealth or superiority over others.
The Church's stance on usury in the modern economy
The podcast discusses how some arguments attempt to justify usury in the modern economy, such as considering the available options for guaranteed return on investments. However, the podcast dismisses these arguments as incompatible with the Church's teachings. It emphasizes that the condemnation of usury still applies in the modern economy, regardless of the availability of guaranteed investments. It reaffirms the Church's position that usury creates enmity and inequality, contradicting the principles of genuine friendship and love.
The complexity of determining usury
The podcast acknowledges that determining what constitutes usury can sometimes be challenging. However, it emphasizes the importance of understanding the qualitative nature of usury and its effect on relationships. It suggests that the external form of a loan can provide markers to determine if it is usurious, such as an imbalance of risk, a lack of genuine partnership in the venture, or an inherent desire for personal gain. The podcast encourages further exploration and understanding of usury within the context of theological economics.
Usury and the Justification for Charging Interest on Loans
The podcast explores the arguments put forth to justify the charging of interest on loans. It discusses how some arguments, although acknowledged by the speaker, do not truly justify the practice. The importance of prearranged agreements and actual loss is emphasized, emphasizing that interest is more like a penalty or late fee. The podcast challenges the notion that loan interest is a justifiable opportunity cost and highlights the problematic disconnect between investment opportunities and actual intentions. It concludes that for a loan to maintain its motive of friendship, forgiveness and a shift away from seeking private gain is essential.
The Connection Between Usury, Loans, and Friendship
The podcast delves into the relationship between loans, usury, and the fundamental idea of friendship. It argues that the Christian understanding of loans should be rooted in the motive of friendship rather than seeking private gain. The discussion highlights the significance of the familial structure and the role of loans within the context of family relationships. It challenges the prevailing mindset that loans should be based on financial cleverness or profit, and encourages a shift towards a more generous society where loans are seen as opportunities to meet people's needs and strengthen friendships.