Lisa has been anticipating this conversation for a while now. She welcomes mom, pastor, speaker and author of the new book Reframe Your Shame, Irene Rollins to JOE today. Lisa and Irene talk about how tough conversations aren't happening in the church regarding addictions, especially about alcohol. Listen in today for encouragement and how God can change and reframe your shame about anything that might be holding you back.

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