Mariana Mazzucato, a Professor in the Economics of Innovation at University College London and author of 'Mission Economy', explores the urgent need to reshape capitalism and public investment. She discusses the dysfunctions of current economic policies and how labor dynamics and union representation could be transformed. Mazzucato emphasizes the vital role of public investment in wealth creation, challenging the bias toward value extraction. The conversation also critiques our understanding of value versus price, advocating for a more equitable approach to economic success.