Michelle Handy, Senior managing director and chief investment officer at First Eagle, discusses direct lending in the middle market, deal terms in private credit, and expectations for increased deal volume and a rate cut. Topics include shifts in M&A volume, impact of interest rate increases on enterprise value multiples, distinctions between cash flow financing and asset-based lending, and dialogue between private equity firms and LPs in the current environment.
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Stabilization of interest rates and potential rate cuts are expected to drive increased LBO and recap activity.
Regulatory changes post-2008 recession have heightened competition between private credit lenders and traditional banks in the BSL market.
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Factors Impacting M&A Volumes
Higher interest rates and a decline in transaction enterprise values have contributed to muted M&A volumes in the past 12 to 24 months. The correlation between lower deal activity and interest rates suggests a significant impact on deal making. The decline in enterprise value multiples has made it challenging for buyers and sellers to align on valuations for transactions. With the stabilization of interest rates and potential rate reductions, an increase in LBO, refinance, and recap activity has been observed.
Evolution of Deal Structures
In the core middle market, capital structures have remained conservative with lower leverage levels and larger equity checks due to company size. Conversely, the BSL market has experienced significant shifts with the elevated interest rate environment necessitating lower leverage levels and larger equity requirements. The BSL market has seen more pronounced changes compared to the middle market. While cash flow financing relies on business-generated cash flow, ABL financing focuses on company assets like receivables and inventory. Different market preferences exist for each type of financing, with asset-rich companies often leaning towards ABL financing.
Competition between Banks and Non-Bank Financial Companies
Regulatory changes post the 2008 recession have led banks to reduce exposure to individual companies and focus more on larger corporate credits. This has resulted in increased competition between private credit direct lenders and traditional banks, especially in the BSL market. Private credit markets have gained share from the BSL market during COVID but are facing challenges with the recent reopening of the BSL market due to excess demand and limited supply. As interest rates stabilize and deal activity increases, lenders are experiencing pricing pressures and spreads compression.
This week on The Primary View, Seth Brumby, Deputy Managing Editor at Reorg sits down with Michelle Handy, a senior managing director and chief investment officer at First Eagle, to discuss direct lending in the middle market, the evolution of deal terms in light of expanding private credit, and her expectations for increased deal volume and a rate cut in the back half of the year.
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