Vanity Fair’s Kase Wickman and The Ankler’s own Chris Rosen join Katey to explain exactly what Taylor Swift brought to theaters this weekend, and why making her own movie at last might be the last mountain left for the pop icon to conquer. Then Katey talks to Mary Bronstein, whose darkly funny and surreal If I Had Legs I’d Kick You is the result of years of work and struggle — but absolutely zero compromise.

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Taylor Swift’s Hollywood Dreams, Plus Mary Bronstein on Her Uncompromising If I Had Legs I’d Kick You