Compact Podcast The Trumpdani Summit
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Nov 25, 2025 
Ashley Frawley, a political commentator focused on European dynamics, and Geoff Shullenberger, an analyst of grand strategy, join Matthew Schmitz to dissect Trump's 28-point peace plan for Ukraine. They explore skepticism about achieving lasting peace and how economic interests can prolong conflict. The discussion also touches on America's role in foreign commitments and right-wing antiwar sentiments in Europe. Geoff praises the pragmatic outreach of NYC Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani to Trump voters, highlighting a possible synthesis of populist ideas.
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Peace Plan Was Softened After Pushback
- Trump's 28-point draft initially included strong concessions to Russia but was watered down after diplomacy involving Marco Rubio and others.
- Changes removed explicit NATO/EU bans and strict troop limits, likely making Putin less incentivized to accept it.
Economic Interests Can Perpetuate War
- Ashley Frawley worries Europe benefits economically from prolonged war and resists a peace that weakens its influence.
- She doubts a durable peace because European and Russian incentives favor continued conflict.
War Can Have Unexpected Economic Upsides
- Geoff Shullenberger notes war can bolster domestic economies and autonomy, sometimes benefiting Russia despite sanctions.
- He questions which actors truly have incentives to end the conflict beyond political posturing.