Exploring EBITDA add-back challenges in a declining credit market, impact of 'fictional' numbers on investors, Covid-19 EBITDA adjustments, market information asymmetries creating disparities.
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Adjusted EBITDA post-COVID may mislead investors on company profitability.
Loose covenants can hide risks in favorable markets but surprise investors during downturns.
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Challenges of EBITDA Adjustments
EBITDA adjustments in debt documents, especially those related to COVID-19 impacts, raise concerns. These adjusted figures might not truly reflect a company's profitability. Investors relying on adjusted EBITDA for free cash flow estimation may encounter significant discrepancies, leading to misguided perceptions of a company's financial health and borrowing capacity.
Impact of Loose Covenants in Credit Cycles
Loose covenants in credit agreements can mask underlying risks during favorable market conditions. However, in a credit cycle downturn, these loose covenants can pose challenges and surprise investors as fundamental deterioration exposes the true financial situation of companies. The lack of tightening covenants amid COVID-19 uncertainties raises concerns about investor preparedness for potential restructuring scenarios.
Need for Standardizing Covenant Definitions
Standardizing covenant definitions could alleviate the complexities surrounding non-recurring charges and adjustments in debt documents. Implementing clear definitions for terms like extraordinary losses can enhance transparency and facilitate accurate assessment of a company's financial capacity. Addressing the ambiguity in covenant agreements can potentially enhance investor confidence and mitigate risks associated with loose covenant structures.
In this episode, hosts Shweta Rao and Peter Washkowitz speak to JO Hambro Capital Management’s Head of Credit Lale Topcuoglu about the consequences of EBITDA add-backs in a declining credit market, challenges faced by investors working with “fictional” numbers, Covid-19-related EBITDA adjustments and the information asymmetries in the market creating “haves” and “have-nots”.
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