Ammar Mian is a software engineer and the co-founder of startup health tech company Malla - and another former student of Oz's and Bradfield School of Computer Science! Many software engineers daydream about starting their own company one day, so we've got Ammar on the show this week to give us the goods. Is it still fun? Can you still get into flow? Are you still coding? Does Oz want to die on Mars? All this and more!

Shownotes:

• Malla
• The Wiggles
• The Six Levels of Interaction with a System
• Zone of proximal development
• Red-bellied black snake
• Reentry [book] - more recent history of SpaceX
• Red Mars [book] - Kim Stanley Robinson