In this chat, Dr. Brad Klontz, a financial psychologist and co-founder of the Financial Psychology Institute, dives into the deep connections between money and mental health. He discusses how consumerism shapes self-worth, particularly among youth. Klontz reveals the impact of social media on our perceptions of wealth and the resulting feelings of inadequacy. He also introduces 'money scripts'—the hidden beliefs that influence our financial habits. The conversation emphasizes the need for emotional engagement with money to foster better financial wellness.
Dr. Brad Klontz emphasizes the impact of early familial experiences on financial behaviors, highlighting how inherited money scripts unconsciously drive decisions.
The podcast explores the categorization of money scripts, revealing how attitudes towards wealth shape behaviors associated with money management.
Klontz critiques the traditional concept of retirement, advocating for a focus on meaningful engagement and fulfillment rather than mere financial security.
Deep dives
Personal Journey into Financial Psychology
The speaker describes a personal journey that led to a career in financial psychology, rooted in early experiences with socioeconomic disparities. Growing up in a lower-income household, he developed a keen awareness of wealth differences, which sparked his interest in understanding money-related behaviors. His formative experiences included insightful observations, such as interviewing a friend’s father about financial success and grappling with family issues related to finances. These interactions motivated him to explore the psychological aspects of money, especially following his own financial missteps in investing.
Impact of Family History on Financial Behavior
The podcast highlights how familial experiences significantly shape individual attitudes towards money, known as 'money scripts.' The speaker shares interviews with his mother that unveiled her financial upbringing, which tied back to his grandfather's traumatic experiences during the Great Depression. This generational trauma created an aversion to traditional banking among family members, influencing his mother to avoid stock investments entirely and instilling a fear of financial instability. The speaker emphasizes the need for awareness of these inherited beliefs as they can unconsciously dictate one's financial decisions and long-term success.
Exploration of Money Beliefs
The discussion sheds light on various cognitive biases and money beliefs people hold, referred to as 'money scripts.' Four main categories are identified: money avoidance, money worship, money status, and money vigilance. Money avoidance leads individuals to view wealth as morally corrupt, while money worship fosters an unhealthy obsession with acquiring riches. Money status involves linking self-worth to net worth, and money vigilance is found in individuals who prioritize saving; understanding these scripts can elucidate patterns that affect financial behaviors and outcomes.
The Role of Relative Deprivation in Financial Wellness
Relative deprivation plays a crucial role in shaping how individuals perceive their financial well-being. The speaker explains how the social comparison against peers influences feelings of wealth or lack thereof, noting that modern exposure through social media exacerbates these feelings of inadequacy. He contrasts past experiences of feeling deprived within a homogeneous community to current hyper-exposure to wealth through digital platforms. Recognizing this phenomenon is essential for reframing financial goals and fostering a more balanced view of wealth that prioritizes personal values over societal pressures.
Redefining Retirement and Financial Goals
The concept of retirement is critiqued as a potentially detrimental goal, with suggestions to redefine it in terms of personal fulfillment and ongoing purpose. The speaker argues that retirement often leads to isolation and loss of identity, as individuals disengage from active, meaningful contributions to society. Instead, he encourages setting engaging, shorter-term financial goals that foster a connection between present actions and future aspirations. Achieving a balance between saving for the future and enjoying the present is critical for overall financial wellness and happiness.
Our guest on the podcast today is author and financial psychologist, Dr. Brad Klontz. He’s an Associate Professor of Practice at Creighton University’s Heider College of Business. He’s also co-founder of the Financial Psychology Institute and managing principal of Your Mental Wealth Advisors, a fee-only registered investment advisory.
Brad is co-author or co-editor of nine books on the psychology of money, including his latest, Start Thinking Rich: 21 Harsh Truths to Take You From Broke to Financial Freedom, which he co-wrote with Adrian Brambila. He is a fellow of the American Psychological Association and a former President of the Hawaii Psychological Association. He was appointed to the CNBC Financial Advisor Council in 2023 and received the 2018 and 2021 Montgomery-Warschauer Awards from the Journal of Financial Planning, honoring the most outstanding contribution to the betterment of the financial planning profession. He received his Doctor of Psychology degree from Wright State University, his master’s certificate in personal financial planning from Kansas State University, his master’s in counseling and human resources development from South Dakota State University, and his bachelor’s degree in psychology from Olivet Nazarene University. Brad is also a Certified Financial Planner professional.