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EP465: The Not Super Effective Contracting Industry Norm, Where Jumbo Plans and Others Wind Up Paying $10,000 for $50 Drugs, With Chris Crawford

Feb 27, 2025
Chris Crawford, CEO of RxSaveCard, dives into the murky waters of pharmacy benefits and inflated drug prices. He shines a spotlight on the hidden costs imposed by large Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) and discusses a significant lawsuit involving J&J. Crawford explains how aggregate discount guarantees often lead to higher prices for consumers, while cash-pay options can offer real savings. The conversation encourages transparency in drug pricing and highlights innovative tools that help both employers and employees navigate the complex pharmaceutical landscape.
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Quick takeaways

  • Pharmacy benefits managers often overcharge for medications, leading to significant price disparities that burden plan sponsors and employees.
  • Accessing cash payment options can drastically reduce drug costs, highlighting the need for greater awareness of pricing alternatives in healthcare.

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Excessive Drug Costs

Many health plans are overpaying for drugs, with one instance highlighted where a pharmacy benefits manager (PBM) charged a plan over $10,000 for a medication that could be purchased for about $50 through cash payment options. This significant price disparity underscores how traditional insurance mechanisms fail at delivering cost-effective healthcare. The discussion raises an important point regarding the vast difference in pricing available to cash-paying individuals compared to those going through insurance. Such examples reflect a larger trend in the pharmacy benefit landscape, where many plan sponsors are faced with exorbitant bills for generics that can be obtained much cheaper without insurance.

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