

Thomas Graham, "Getting Russia Right" (Polity Press, 2023)
Sep 10, 2025
Thomas Graham, a distinguished fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, shares his insights on Russian history and statecraft. He critiques the U.S. approach to Russia, suggesting that American leaders underestimated its resilience post-USSR. Graham introduces the concept of 'competitive coexistence' as a potential strategy to manage relations. He also delves into the complexities of Putin's motivations and the misjudgments that have shaped current tensions, emphasizing the need for a nuanced understanding of Russia's national interests.
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Post-Cold-War Optimism Was Misplaced
- The 1990s optimism assumed Russia would adopt Western liberal democracy and market systems.
- That assumption ignored Russia's different historical trajectory and internal political realities.
Russia Wanted Restoration, Not Conversion
- Integration into the West was unlikely because Russia sought restoration as a great power, not transformation into a Western-style democracy.
- Russians saw themselves as victors who deserved respect, not students to be taught American institutions.
Russia's Strengths Outlast Its Weaknesses
- Russia remains dangerous despite economic weakness because of its nuclear arsenal, scientific talent, and geostrategic position.
- Even weakened, Russia can mobilize state resources and influence multiple strategic regions including the Arctic.