Gaby talks to education superstar Zakiya Smith Ellis, a millennial who's also the Secretary of Higher Education for New Jersey. They talk about how college debt has gotten so out of hand...making community college free... the tricky things universities do to make students feel like they're getting a "deal" on tuition... and the freedom of giving up on a "dream school".
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