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Inside China

Why the US-China cold war is heating up in public

Oct 13, 2023
Explore the surprising shift in communication between secretive intelligence agencies of China and the US. Delve into espionage tactics, motives behind recent disclosures, the risks and rewards of intelligence disclosure, controversies surrounding the US-China China initiative, and the parallels and shifts in US-China relations.
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Quick takeaways

  • China utilizes extensive covert methods to gather intelligence, including the 'thousand grains of sand' and 'fish at the bottom of the sea' approaches.
  • Spy agencies, like the CIA and China's Ministry of State Security, strategically reveal their activities to safeguard reputation, gain political support, and showcase rivalry with other intelligence agencies.

Deep dives

Methods of Spying: China's Thousand Grains of Sand Approach

China employs various methods in spying, such as the 'thousand grains of sand' approach, which involves using students, businessmen, and tourists to gather intelligence. They blanket the field with operatives and do not worry about losing some or being caught. Another method is 'fish at the bottom of the sea,' as seen in the case of the grad student G. Chautun. China recruits individuals and places them strategically to gain intelligence. Both the US and China are engaged in a full-blown spy versus spy situation.

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