In this portion of Chops goodness, Mick has a natter with bona fide bad-ass Barbara Lisicki (@wanda_barbara), comedian, fierce disability activist and proud protest T-shirt wearer.

They chat about all sorts of stuff, particularly what Barbara and various allies got up to in their ongoing quest to change the pity-led narrative around people with disabilities. So, revel in Barbara’s telling of the glory that is the Piss On Pity tee and accompanying campaign, and some of the other brilliant and ultimately law-making activism Barbara got up to with DAN, the disabled people’s Direct Action Network. And, perhaps like Mick, find yourself nodding along with why she hates Children In Need.

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SIM Ep 188 Chops 70: kicking off for disability rights with Barbara Lisicki