Why I Left the FIRE Movement w/ Gwen of Fiery Millennials #779
Jan 24, 2024
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Gwen, a former member of the FIRE movement, discusses the challenges of mindlessly saving. They talk about the lack of space for hobby spending in the movement and whether spending more money leads to happiness. They also explore the importance of delaying consumption for long-term financial freedom and finding intentional hobbies. Gwen shares her experiences with the movement and the need for balance in personal finance.
Finding balance and prioritizing personal values and happiness is crucial when it comes to saving and spending.
The fire movement is shifting towards a more personalized approach, recognizing individual circumstances and goals.
Intentional spending on meaningful experiences and relationships can lead to a more fulfilling and well-rounded life.
Deep dives
The Importance of Finding Balance in the Fire Movement
Gwen Murs, a former member of the fire movement, shares her journey of reevaluating her approach to saving and spending. She emphasizes the need to find balance and to prioritize personal values and happiness. Gwen suggests that rather than strictly adhering to extreme frugality, individuals should focus on spending intentionally on the things that bring them joy. She also highlights the importance of developing hobbies and engaging in activities that enrich life in the present, not just in retirement. By finding this balance, Gwen believes that individuals can lead more fulfilling lives while still working towards financial independence.
The Shift from Extremes to Moderation in the Fire Community
Gwen discusses the evolving nature of the fire movement and the shift towards a more moderate approach. She observes that the fire community is beginning to recognize the importance of individual circumstances and priorities, rather than adhering to strict rules of saving and spending. Gwen encourages individuals to evaluate their own values and goals to determine how they want to allocate their resources. She believes that pursuing financial independence should not come at the expense of personal happiness and well-being, and that a personalized approach is key.
The Power of Personal Reflection and Intentional Spending
Gwen shares her own experiences of reassessing her spending habits and finding joy in intentional spending. She emphasizes the need to align spending with personal values and desires, rather than succumbing to societal pressures or trends. Gwen explains that by focusing on meaningful spending in areas that bring happiness and fulfillment, individuals can strike a balance between saving for the future and enjoying life in the present. She urges listeners to reflect on what truly matters to them and how they want to allocate their financial resources accordingly.
The Importance of Prioritizing Hobbies and Relationships
Gwen highlights the significance of hobbies and relationships in achieving a more fulfilling and balanced life. She advocates for investing time and resources in activities, interests, and relationships that bring joy and fulfillment, even if they may require some additional spending. Gwen shares personal examples of prioritizing hobbies and creating memorable experiences with loved ones. She suggests that incorporating these elements into one's life can enhance overall happiness and contribute to a more well-rounded sense of personal fulfillment.
The Role of Self-Knowledge in Financial Decision-Making
Gwen emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and self-knowledge in making effective financial decisions. She encourages individuals to question and reevaluate their financial goals and choices to ensure that they align with their unique circumstances and values. Gwen shares her own journey of discovering her true wants and needs, and how she adjusted her saving and spending habits accordingly. She believes that by understanding oneself better, individuals can approach their finances in a way that leads to greater satisfaction and fulfillment.
Most folks have no problem spending their money. I hate to say it, but shopping is basically an American pastime! It certainly drives production as data shows that consumption is responsible for ⅔ of our economy. But not everyone indulges in retail therapy- hopefully the majority of listeners to the podcast are less likely to mindlessly spend. And there’s a certain subset of folks who actually struggle with the opposite problem: they mindlessly save. We frequently discuss Financial Independence Retire Early, and we’re excited to be joined by a recovering member of the FIRE movement, Gwen Merz. Gwen has been a part of the community for years. She’s the creator behind the blog Fiery Millennials and was recently featured in multiple Business Insider articles. And now she’s working on a book documenting her FIRE journey!- here’s a quote from her book proposal: “Supersavers will improve the quality of their lives by shedding maladaptive behaviors and emotions…”. It turns out that the habits that lead to more savings and investments, may not be the same ones that lead to happy and fulfilling lives. Listen as we discuss Gwen’s introduction to FIRE, how far she pushed her savings rate, a failed attempt at investing in real estate, her spending experiments, and more!
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