In this week's episode, Simon and David are joined by Alex Bovee the CEO of https://www.conductorone.com/ - a next generation identity security and IGA provider. They cover a range of topics including the adoption of cloud services and the impact on security, the cloud shared security model, the left shifting of identity risk from being detection focused to preventative, reducing access reviews to focus on exceptions only, how the security world is taking on more IAM capabilities and knowledge and the introduction of a new open source project called Baton - to extract and manage identity data.