The Joe Rogan Experience

#2319 - Rick Doblin

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May 9, 2025
Rick Doblin, Ph.D., is the founder of MAPS, which promotes evidence-based psychedelic therapy. He discusses the transformative power of MDMA-assisted therapy for veterans with PTSD and the ongoing legal battles for psychedelic access. The conversation dives into historical uses of psychedelics, the societal implications of drug laws, and the potential of psychedelics to foster empathy in a divided world. Doblin also shares insights from his global initiatives, emphasizing the need for community support in healing trauma.
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ANECDOTE

Training Therapists in Ukraine

  • Rick Doblin visited Ukraine to train therapists in MDMA-assisted therapy despite PTSD legal restrictions.
  • He witnessed large-scale trauma and unique memorials showing pictures of deceased victims, highlighting the need for psychedelic therapies.
INSIGHT

Persistence Through Drug War

  • MAPS started in 1986 during the height of the drug war with no certainty of success.
  • Persistent work enabled progress despite overwhelming obstacles and societal stigma.
INSIGHT

DEA's Illegal MDMA Scheduling

  • Emergency scheduling of MDMA in 1985 by DEA was illegal and based on false rationales.
  • Judicial rulings favored rescheduling, but DEA refused, showing regulatory obstruction stalling therapeutic access.
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