When journalist Dom Phillips and indigenous expert Bruno Perreira were murdered while on a fact finding trip in the Amazon, it highlighted the threats to those working to protect the forest from exploitation. That fight, against those who want to use its resources, is one that has been going on for years - with little end in sight.

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- Leticia Valverdes, Brazilian photographer.

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