
Nature Podcast ‘Malicious use is already happening’: machine-learning pioneer on making AI safer
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Nov 14, 2025 Yoshua Bengio, a prominent machine-learning researcher and a ‘godfather of AI,’ dives into the urgent risks posed by AI technology. He highlights the prevalence of malicious uses, like deepfakes, that demand immediate attention. Bengio reveals how ChatGPT shifted his perspective on AI safety, stressing the need for policy to address potential catastrophic scenarios. He proposes a unique 'non-agentic scientist AI' model designed with safety in mind and discusses the implications of AI on economic inequality and job displacement, urging proactive government policies.
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Malicious Use Is Already Underway
- Malicious use of AI is already happening via deepfakes and AI-driven cyberattacks.
- Yoshua Bengio warns stronger technical and political guardrails are urgently needed.
Existential Risk Drives Research Shift
- Extreme existential risk, including human extinction, motivates Bengio's pivot to safe-AI research.
- He focuses on building AI that will not harm humans by design.
Language Models Changed Risk Perception
- ChatGPT's release showed language-capable systems that we don't fully control.
- Bengio realized such systems could lead us toward dangerously unpredictable futures.

