The Nonlinear Library: LessWrong LW - some thoughts on LessOnline by Raemon
May 9, 2024
07:17
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Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: some thoughts on LessOnline, published by Raemon on May 9, 2024 on LessWrong.
I mostly wrote this for facebook, but it ended up being a whole-ass post so I figured I'd put it here too.
I'm helping run "LessOnline: A Festival of Writers Who Are Wrong On the Internet (But Striving To Be Less So)".
I'm incentivized to say nice things about the event. So, grain of salt and all. But, some thoughts, which roughly breakdown into:
The vibe: preserving cozy/spaciousness of a small retreat at a larger festival
The audience: "Reunion for the The Extended Family Blogosphere, both readers and writers."
Manifest, and Summer Camp
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I. The Vibe
I've been trying to explain the vibe I expect and it's tricksy. I think the vibe will be something like "CFAR Reunion meets Manifest."
But a lot of people haven't been to a CFAR Reunion or to Manifest.
I might also describe it like "the thing the very first EA Summit (before EA Global) was like, before it became EA Global and got big." But very few people went to that either.
Basically: I think this will do a pretty decent job of having the feel of a smaller (~60 person), cozy retreat, but while being more like 200 - 400 people. Lightcone has run several ~60 person private retreats, which succeeded being a really spacious intellectual environment, with a pretty high hit rate for meeting new people who you might want to end up having a several hour conversation with.
Realistically, with a larger event there'll be at least some loss of "cozy/spaciousness", and a somewhat lower hit rate for people you want to talk to with the open invites. But, I think Lightcone has learned a lot about how to create a really nice vibe. We've built our venue, Lighthaven, with "warm, delightful, focused intellectual conversation" as a primary priority.
Whiteboards everywhere, lots of nooks and a fractal layout that makes it often feel like you're in a seclude private conversation by a firepit, even though hundreds of other people are nearby (often at another secluded private conversation with _their_ own firepit!)
(It's sort of weird that this kind of venue is extremely rare. Many events are hotels, which feel vaguely stifling and corporate. And the nice spacious retreat centers we've used don't score well on the whiteboard front, and surprisingly not even that well on "lots of nooks")
...
Large events tend to use "Swap Card" for causing people to meet each other. I do find Swap Card really good for nailing down a lot of short meetings. But it somehow ends up with a vibe of ruthless efficiency - lots of back-to-back 30 minute meetings, instead of a feeling of organic discovery. The profile feels like a "job fair professional" sort of thing.
Instead we're having a "Names, Faces, and Conversations" document, where people write in a giant google doc about what questions and ideas are currently alive for them. People are encouraged to comment inline if they have thoughts, and +1 if they'd be into chatting about it. Some of this hopefully turns into 1-1 conversations, and if more people are interested it can organically grow into "hey let's hold a small impromptu group discussion about that in the Garden Nook"
...
We'll also have a bunch of stuff that's just plain fun. We're planning a puzzle hunt that spans the event, and a dance concert led by the Fooming Shoggoths, with many songs that didn't make it onto their April 1st album. And the venue itself just lends itself to a feeling of whimsy and discovery.
...
Another thing we're doing is encouraging people to bring their kids, and providing a day care to make that easier. I want this event to feel like something you can bring your whole life/self to. By default these sorts of events tend to not be very kid friendly.
...
...
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II. The Audience
So that was a lot of words about The Vibe. The second question is "who a...
Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: some thoughts on LessOnline, published by Raemon on May 9, 2024 on LessWrong.
I mostly wrote this for facebook, but it ended up being a whole-ass post so I figured I'd put it here too.
I'm helping run "LessOnline: A Festival of Writers Who Are Wrong On the Internet (But Striving To Be Less So)".
I'm incentivized to say nice things about the event. So, grain of salt and all. But, some thoughts, which roughly breakdown into:
The vibe: preserving cozy/spaciousness of a small retreat at a larger festival
The audience: "Reunion for the The Extended Family Blogosphere, both readers and writers."
Manifest, and Summer Camp
...
I. The Vibe
I've been trying to explain the vibe I expect and it's tricksy. I think the vibe will be something like "CFAR Reunion meets Manifest."
But a lot of people haven't been to a CFAR Reunion or to Manifest.
I might also describe it like "the thing the very first EA Summit (before EA Global) was like, before it became EA Global and got big." But very few people went to that either.
Basically: I think this will do a pretty decent job of having the feel of a smaller (~60 person), cozy retreat, but while being more like 200 - 400 people. Lightcone has run several ~60 person private retreats, which succeeded being a really spacious intellectual environment, with a pretty high hit rate for meeting new people who you might want to end up having a several hour conversation with.
Realistically, with a larger event there'll be at least some loss of "cozy/spaciousness", and a somewhat lower hit rate for people you want to talk to with the open invites. But, I think Lightcone has learned a lot about how to create a really nice vibe. We've built our venue, Lighthaven, with "warm, delightful, focused intellectual conversation" as a primary priority.
Whiteboards everywhere, lots of nooks and a fractal layout that makes it often feel like you're in a seclude private conversation by a firepit, even though hundreds of other people are nearby (often at another secluded private conversation with _their_ own firepit!)
(It's sort of weird that this kind of venue is extremely rare. Many events are hotels, which feel vaguely stifling and corporate. And the nice spacious retreat centers we've used don't score well on the whiteboard front, and surprisingly not even that well on "lots of nooks")
...
Large events tend to use "Swap Card" for causing people to meet each other. I do find Swap Card really good for nailing down a lot of short meetings. But it somehow ends up with a vibe of ruthless efficiency - lots of back-to-back 30 minute meetings, instead of a feeling of organic discovery. The profile feels like a "job fair professional" sort of thing.
Instead we're having a "Names, Faces, and Conversations" document, where people write in a giant google doc about what questions and ideas are currently alive for them. People are encouraged to comment inline if they have thoughts, and +1 if they'd be into chatting about it. Some of this hopefully turns into 1-1 conversations, and if more people are interested it can organically grow into "hey let's hold a small impromptu group discussion about that in the Garden Nook"
...
We'll also have a bunch of stuff that's just plain fun. We're planning a puzzle hunt that spans the event, and a dance concert led by the Fooming Shoggoths, with many songs that didn't make it onto their April 1st album. And the venue itself just lends itself to a feeling of whimsy and discovery.
...
Another thing we're doing is encouraging people to bring their kids, and providing a day care to make that easier. I want this event to feel like something you can bring your whole life/self to. By default these sorts of events tend to not be very kid friendly.
...
...
...
II. The Audience
So that was a lot of words about The Vibe. The second question is "who a...