Looted China Treasures, Laszlo chats with Andrew Shaw and his book, "Spoil"
Feb 2, 2025
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In this engaging discussion, Andrew Shaw, an esteemed author and jade carver, unearths the shocking history of cultural looting in China. He highlights the extensive plundering by Western powers during the Opium Wars and the moral complexities behind it. Shaw also digs into the ongoing debates on the restitution of these treasures, revealing how financial motives influence the return of artifacts. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the lasting legacy of colonialism and its impact on China's cultural heritage.
The podcast emphasizes the economic motivations behind the looting of China's treasures, particularly linked to the British opium trade during the First Opium War.
It discusses the complex ethical and legal issues surrounding the restitution of looted artifacts, highlighting the reluctance of Western museums to return them to China.
Deep dives
The Historical Context of Looting in China
The episode discusses the significant impact that the British demand for tea had on the looting of Chinese treasures, leading to the First Opium War. As British tea consumption skyrocketed, the country faced a financial crisis due to an unfavorable trade balance, prompting them to introduce opium into China as a way to regain economic stability. This resulted in British forces invading China in the mid-19th century, which initiated a cycle of looting that included not just British forces but other foreign powers as well. The sacking of the Summer Palace in 1860 marked a turning point, as foreign troops began to recognize and take valuable artifacts, transforming initial plundering for profit into a concerted effort to seize China’s cultural heritage.
The Rogues' Gallery of Looters
The podcast highlights various groups involved in the extensive looting of Chinese treasures during the 19th and early 20th centuries, including British, French, Russian, and Japanese forces. Initially, looters focused on precious metals and valuables but soon recognized the artistic value of jades and ceramics as well. The speaker notes the infamous instance where an Australian officer sold a solid gold pagoda for a fortune, exemplifying the profit motive behind the looting. Moreover, the discussion reveals that even local Chinese camp followers participated in the mayhem, indicating that the legacy of looting extended beyond foreign powers to Chinese citizens themselves, underscoring a broader participation in this cultural diminishment.
The Complicated Legacy of Looted Treasures
The episode delves into the ongoing debate concerning the return of looted treasures to China, highlighting the absence of international laws compelling restitution. It explains how many Western museums are reluctant to return artifacts for fear of opening the floodgates to demands from other nations with similar histories of looting. Through case studies, such as the British Museum's hold on the Elgin marbles and various treasures in France, the discussion illustrates the legal and ethical complexities at play. The speaker argues that as China's economic power grows, there is increasing pressure on foreign entities to reconsider their stance on these treasures, yet the challenges of provenance and rightful ownership persist.
I welcomed Wuhan-based Andrew Shaw onto the CHP to talk about his book. It's all about the plundering of China's cultural treasures and imperial artifacts by not just the British, French, and Americans. It seems everyone got in on the act. Even the local people. It's a miracle there was anything left for Chian's museums. Many of you are familiar with the stories about looting that took place in China between the 1840s and the turn of the century. In Andrew Shaw's book, "Spoil" we'll look at the extent of what happened. And on the next episode, we'll feature Andrew again, this time talking about his new book on the history of jade. That's coming February 16th. Of course, Patreon and CHP Premium subscribers will get to hear it a couple weeks earlier. Here's the link if you're interested. https://www.patreon.com/c/TheChinaHistoryPodcast