Princeton professor Robert P. George joins Jonah Goldberg to discuss America's civic bonds, the 2024 election, conservative institution building, and clearing up confusion around George's name. They also delve into the age of feeling, the corruption of political movements, identitarianism, erosion of freedoms, and the role of new institutions in conservatism.
The Madison Program exemplifies a model for universities to promote intellectual discourse without ideological bias.
Active engagement in organizations like the Madison Program can positively impact universities and fight illiberalism.
American conservatism upholds the principles of liberty, equality, and individual rights rooted in the Enlightenment and ancient philosophy.
Deep dives
The Madison Program: Defending Civic Education and Free Speech
The Madison Program, founded by Robert A. George, focuses on providing strong offerings in civic education and defending free speech. It serves as a model for universities to emulate, promoting intellectual discourse based on reasons, evidence, and arguments. The program has been successful in attracting diverse students, including both conservatives and liberals, who engage in rigorous academic discussions without ideological bias. Additionally, Robert A. George has been involved in establishing para-academic institutions, such as the Academic Freedom Alliance, which defends faculty members' rights to advocate diverse perspectives, and the Barry Scholarships, which support outstanding graduate students from various backgrounds. Through these initiatives, a small-c conservative approach is upheld, centering around the preservation of American Enlightenment principles rooted in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The Importance of Engaging in the Fight
Robert A. George emphasizes the significance of actively engaging in the fight for the future of the country. Rather than giving in to despair, he encourages people to join organizations like the Madison Program and witness firsthand the positive impact they are making in universities. He dismisses the notion that universities are entirely lost, highlighting the numerous programs, institutes, and centers that uphold intellectual discourse, free speech, and the pursuit of knowledge. He invites individuals who doubt the possibility of change to visit these institutions and experience the difference they are making in students' lives.
The Definition of American Conservatism
Robert A. George defines American conservatism as the preservation of the principles enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. He argues that conservatives are not bound by traditional European conservative ideologies, but rather embrace the principles of liberty, equality, and individual rights. American conservatives, according to George, are upholding the true meaning and essence of these principles, focusing on the good and truth they promote for the betterment of society. He highlights the influence of Enlightenment thinkers and ancient philosophers in shaping these principles, emphasizing the deep roots of American conservative thought.
The Danger of Romantic Ideology
The podcast explores the danger of embracing romantic ideology, as exemplified by German philosophy. The speaker discusses Heinrich's warning that Christianity has subdued the German love of war, but without its influence, the brutality may resurface. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing the consequences of the ideas being embraced and the potential for a destructive play to unfold in Germany.
The Importance of Self-Criticism in a Healthy Society
The podcast discusses the importance of self-criticism and open debate. The speaker highlights how an age of feeling and personal identification with ideas has led to an intolerance of criticism and a resistance to alternative viewpoints. The speaker argues that a healthy society should encourage self-criticism, open dialogue, and the representation of competing ideas. Additionally, the speaker warns against banning ideas and emphasizes the value of intellectual rigor, respectful discourse, and self-imposed limitations on authority.
If the Remnant has a failing, it’s that, in almost 700 episodes of relentlessly nerdy conversation, Robert P. George hasn’t once appeared on the program. Today, Jonah rectifies that mistake, inviting the beloved Princeton professor and director of the James Madison Program onto the show to discuss America’s fraying civic bonds, and what we can do to stem the tide of illiberalism. They also provide some uniquely sophisticated punditry on the 2024 election, examine what it takes to build a conservative institution, and clear up some confusion around Robby’s name. Brothers and sisters alike are encouraged to tune in.