Karen Middleton, political editor for Guardian Australia, and Ben Smee, Queensland state correspondent, dive into Labor's shocking loss in the Northern Territory elections. They discuss the implications of the Country Liberal party's victory and the emergence of the Greens against crime concerns. The conversation highlights Labor's struggles with its law and order policies, emphasizing the need for strategic changes. They also explore the political dynamics surrounding crime and safety in Australia and how these outcomes may influence future federal elections.