Ryan Callaghan - MeatEater's Director of Conservation and a national board member of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers. Ryan grew up out West hunting, fishing and, guiding and has been passionate about the outdoor community ever since.

Join us for a conversation about our public lands and why selling them would take away from more than just bowhunters. Ryan talks about how he got connected with MeatEater, his experiences with conservation, and more!

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 Why People Call Ryan “Ol Cal”

00:01:53 Ryan’s Education

00:08:26 How Ryan Got Connected with MeatEater

00:18:37 Steve Rinella: Wild Within TV Show

00:23:31 Missouri Breaks: Joe Rogan’s First Buck

00:26:10 Conversation as a Tool

00:27:21 Conservation in Clothing Lines

00:32:18 Ad Break (Ketone IQ & MUD\WTR)

00:34:36 First Elk Hunters Ryan Guided

00:37:06 First Lite’s Correlation with Public Land

00:41:00 The Threat of Selling Public Lands

00:52:36 Speculations Behind Senator Mike Lee’s Motivation

00:55:21 The Appreciation of the Outdoors

00:57:55 The Volume of Calls to the Senator

01:09:01 “Hidden” Threats to Public Lands

01:14:12 Land Biden Attempted to Sell

01:16:54 The Government's Intentions Behind “Affordable” Housing

01:21:13 Spreading the Word with Social Media

01:22:59 Takeaways from the Recent Public Land Dispute

01:26:34 Consumers in the City VS Independent People in the West

01:31:11 Trusted 3rd Party People & Resources

01:34:36 Sons of Smokey Non-Profit

01:39:10 Animal Migration in Value Land Segments

01:42:33 Lack of Early Engagement in Selling Public Lands

01:51:16 The Negatives that Come with Politics

01:53:17 Weighing in to Make a Difference

01:59:53 Shared Passion for the Mountains

02:02:37 Outro

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Advent: The Gift of Hope | Barry Jones | November 30, 2025