In this conversation, Mike Zajko sits down with Rowan Stone, Co-founder of Sapien, and Jesse Walden, Founder & Managing Partner at Variant Fund, to explore how Sapien leverages expert feedback to fine-tune large language models (LLMs) and enhance AI data labeling across industries.

Key insights include:

User incentives and experience
State of the ownership economy
The convergence of AI and Crypto
The Rise of DAO’s and open networks
The role of decentralized expert feedback in AI data training

00:00 Introduction to Sapien and Fundraising Context

01:31 Jesse Walden's Journey: From A16Z to Variant

04:02 Ownership Economy: Progress and Challenges

06:19 Rowan Stone's Background and Entry into Crypto

11:27 The Success of Base: Lessons Learned

14:29 Understanding Sapien: The AI Training Protocol

17:24 User Experience and Incentives in Sapien

21:28 Reputation and Quality Control in Decentralized AI

22:41 AI and Crypto: Current Trends and Future Outlook

23:40 The Importance of Quality Data in AI

24:40 Investing in the AI Stack

29:10 The Future of DAOs and Autonomous Organizations

31:28 Challenges in Fundraising and Vision Alignment

34:35 Selling to Traditional Businesses

39:31 Building Towards an Open Protocol

43:08 Progressive Decentralization vs. Progressive Utility

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