BONUS INTERVIEW // Carey Interviews Mark Sayers on Navigating the COVID Crisis and Salvation without Jesus

Mark Sayers is one of the most profound thinkers and cultural commentators today. In this interview, Mark explains how the current pandemic almost instantly deconstructed and threatened both consumer Christianity and secular salvation, he shares principles on how to lead through the COVID crisis, and offers some insight into what the new post-pandemic church and world might look like.