David Marr, an investigative journalist, discusses his latest book on Australia's difficult history. Topics include personal and national shame, the brutal history of the Queensland Native Police, the relationship between shame and forgiveness, finding one's voice as a writer, and the author's working relationship with their editor.
David Marr's book, Killing for Country, uncovers the atrocities committed by the Queensland Native Police and challenges the acceptance of such violence in history.
The power of storytelling can help people understand complex historical events, guide readers through challenging territory, and foster understanding and reconciliation.
Deep dives
Exploring Dark Family History
In this podcast episode, David Ma discusses his book, Killing for Country, which delves into his dark family history. He shares how his journey began when his uncle asked him to uncover information about their enigmatic ancestor, Maude Euer. Through his research, Ma stumbled upon a photograph of his great-grandfather in the uniform of the Queensland Native Police, a murderous state force responsible for the deaths of over 40,000 Indigenous Australians. Shocked by this revelation, Ma decided to confront the truth and wrote a book that exposes the brutal reality of colonization and its impact on his own family.
Unearthing Atrocities and Challenging Acceptance
Killing for Country sheds light on the atrocities committed by the Queensland Native Police, a state-backed killing machine during colonization. Ma rejects the notion of viewing these monstrous acts through a lens of historical context that absolves responsibility. Instead, he aims to present an unflinching narrative that challenges the notion that such violence was ever acceptable. Through meticulous research and storytelling, Ma navigates the complexities and contradictions of his family's history, shedding light on the individual ambitions, struggles, and politics that contributed to the violent dispossessions during that time.
Facing Truths and the Power of Storytelling
Ma's book demonstrates the power of storytelling in helping people understand complex and often difficult historical events. By framing the history of the native police through intimate biographies of key figures, Ma allows readers to judge the facts and make sense of the narrative. He emphasizes the importance of story in guiding readers through challenging territory and fostering understanding. The book also explores the urgent need for Australia as a nation to confront its history, acknowledge the truth, and reckon with the consequences of colonization. Ma's hope is to contribute to a process of reconciliation and a deeper understanding of the country's past.
For many Australians, facing the reality of this country is a task that has proved enduringly difficult, both at a public and a political level. For investigative journalist David Marr, finding the right way to tell the stories that allow us to see the truth of our history is a personal quest and one that has led to his latest book. This week, Michael talks with David about shame – both personal and national – and why his family agreed that he had to write Killing for Country.
Reading list:
Patrick White: A Life, David Marr, 1991
My Country: Stories, Essays & Speeches, David Marr, 2018
Killing for Country, David Marr, 2023
Septology, Jon Fosse, 2022
The Hummingbird Effect, Kate Mildenhall, 2023
You can find these books and all the others we mentioned at your favourite independent book store. Or if you want to listen to them as audiobooks, you can head to the Read This reading room on Apple Books.