Andy Wood did what many people thought (in his own words) "only an idiot might do"—become the pastor who follows Rick Warren. Andy breaks down the details of how the surprising call to Saddleback happened, exactly what they did during the transition, and how the congregations involved navigated the grief and promise of transition. Stacie Wood, Teaching Pastor at Saddleback, also joins the podcast later to discuss women in ministry and being kicked out of the SBC.

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