Paul McCartney describes himself as a “Beatles fan.” Perhaps, after so many years, he’s experiencing the band from the outside as well as from the inside. It’s interesting to consider that perhaps we, as devoted fans, experience some piece of art as deeply, in our own way, as the artist who created it.

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