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The Senator Who Roped the CIA

May 17, 2023
Journalist James Risen discusses Sen. Frank Church's investigation of CIA misdeeds, including assassination plots, LSD mind-control experiments, and spying on Americans. The podcast explores the Church Committee hearings, the controversial MK Ultra program, the transformation of the CIA after 9/11, the Discord leak controversy, and the importance of in-depth reporting on national security and intelligence institutions.
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  • The Church Committee's investigations and reforms led to the establishment of permanent intelligence oversight, including the creation of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the passing of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
  • The press's handling of leaks raises ethical concerns and highlights the need for a more balanced approach to data journalism that prioritizes the public interest while protecting sources and ensuring confidentiality.

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Frank Church's Motivation and Background

Frank Church, a liberal Democrat from Idaho, led the Senate committee in 1975 that investigated CIA covert activities, including assassinations, spying on Americans, and mind control. Church became radicalized by the Vietnam War and saw the intelligence community as a part of a growing militaristic empire. He wanted to be the first to conduct oversight and expose the intelligence community's rogue actions. At the time, there was no oversight, and leaders of Congress didn't want to be responsible for knowing any secrets. Church's goal was to create permanent intelligence oversight, and the Church Committee's investigations led to significant reforms and changes in laws, including the creation of the Senate Intelligence Committee, FISA, the ban on political assassinations, and banning the use of journalists by intelligence agencies. The Church Committee investigations revealed bizarre stories, such as CIA's collaboration with the mafia to kill Fidel Castro and the CIA's MK Ultra mind control program.

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