Not all evangelical churches fit the stereotypes. In their latest books, Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist Eliza Griswold and the Inaugural Director of the SNF Agora Institute, Hahrie Han, bear witness to two churches who break the mold. In Circle of Hope, Griswold chronicles the ravaging and ultimately destructive results to a group of progressive-leaning Philadelphia evangelicals who attempt a racial reckoning. In Undivided, Han follows four members of a conservative Midwest church whose lives are radically altered for the better by a six-week program designed to tackle racial injustice among their ranks.

Griswold and Han discuss their books with journalist Andrea Elliott and examine how their stories shed light on the complexity of contemporary American evangelism.