What happens when a journalist-turned-seminarian finds God in a pile of rotting vegetables? You get Jeff Chu—writer, pastor, and accidental theologian of compost.

In this tender and funny conversation, Jeff and Kate talk about what it means to be changed—by grief, by love, by the kind of calling that makes zero practical sense. They talk about complicated families, appropriate smallness, and what it means to belong to one another in just-because texts, foreign potato chips, and a rice cooker packed in a suitcase. Sometimes resurrection doesn’t look like a clean slate. Sometimes it looks like compost. Hope grows slowly. But oh, it grows.

In this conversation, Kate and Jeff discuss:

Why God’s call often doesn’t add up (and still won’t leave us alone)
The theology of compost: how death, rot, and loss make way for new life
How to live like we are beloved—even when life doesn’t feel that way
Why small, ordinary graces are how we build the world we want

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