In the fourth episode of “Notes on a Native Son,” our guest is the writer and essayist Darryl Pinckney. His work has appeared in The New Yorker, The New York Review of Books and The Village Voice. Most recently, he's been the recipient of a highly prestigious award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters for his contribution to American literature. 

Host Razia Iqbal meets up with Pinckney in Harlem, where James Baldwin grew up and eventually left in the 1940s. Pinckney lives there in a striking, sprawling house with the English poet James Fenton, and they find the perfect spot to record a conversation: in the library, directly beneath Pinckney’s shelf of Baldwin’s works. They talk about how Baldwin so eloquently documented the emotion of love — how it drives us and why we fear it.

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