Kyle Bass, founder of Hayman Capital Management and noted for predicting the 2008 housing crisis, joins Jon Hartley to delve into intriguing financial landscapes. They explore how zoning laws affect housing costs and drive social disparities. Bass analyzes rising tensions between the U.S. and China, shedding light on military strategies and investment risks. He also discusses shifting alliances in the Middle East, the significance of the Abraham Accords, and ultimately champions the U.S. as the foremost innovation hub for future investments.
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Bartender's Story Sparked Crisis Bet
Kyle Bass discovered the US housing bubble when a Las Vegas bartender revealed she had three homes via easy loans.
This personal insight fueled his research, leading him to predict the 2008 financial crisis accurately.
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Private Debts Shift to Sovereign Risk
Kyle Bass analyzed sovereign debt crises by tracking private bad assets moving into public balance sheets.
Countries like Iceland and Greece failed due to banking systems vastly exceeding GDP, unlike the US which recapitalized successfully.
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Financial Repression Hurts Demographics
Financial repression and excessive asset inflation reduce real wages, leading young men to delay marriage and procreation.
This demographic crisis contributes directly to declining fertility rates in developed countries like Japan and the US.
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In this influential book, Milton Friedman discusses the role of economic capitalism in a liberal society. He argues that economic freedom is a precondition for political freedom and advocates for limited government intervention. The book covers various topics, including the relation between economic and political freedom, the role of government in a free society, monetary policy, international trade arrangements, and the role of government in education. Friedman's work has been highly influential in economic theory and policymaking, and the book has been translated into eighteen languages and sold over half a million copies since its publication in 1962.
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Hoover Institution fellow Jon Hartley and hedge fund investor Kyle Bass discuss Kyle’s career and upbringing, the 2000s housing crisis, the 2010s European sovereign debt crisis, the rise and fall of Japan’s economy, China’s rising aggression and decoupling from the US, shifting tides in the Middle East, the sclerosis of Europe, and why the US remains the best place in the world to continue to invest as an innovation hub.
Recorded on June 13, 2025.
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