Join Samantha and guest Alan Elrod, president and CEO of the Pulaski Institution, as they talk about how the spectacle of deliberate cruelty—troops on the streets, deportations of firefighters, the public performance of vileness—is not an accident or a distraction, but is a core part of the Trumpian project to remake American culture. Creating the mass basis for an authoritarian movement has always involved generating a certain "enthusiasm" for the project beyond direct command and control.