162 - Vladimir Leshko: You Will Live Forever If You Choose To

Dec 26, 2025

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Longevity, Gene Therapy, Unlimited Bio, Próspera, Regulation, AI, Biohacking, Philosophy, Morality, Spirituality.

Timothy Allen speaks with biomedical engineer Vladimir Leshko about gene therapy, longevity, and why Próspera’s regulatory environment makes human trials possible that are effectively blocked elsewhere.

Leshko explains how gene therapy works, why aging is a biological process rather than an inevitability, and explores the ethical, spiritual, and existential implications of choosing radically extended life in an age of AI and abundance.

Enjoy the conversation.

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TIMESTAMPS (Audio Version Only)

0:00:30 – Introduction to Episode
0:05:55 – Start of Conversation
0:07:33 – Why Unlimited Bio chose Próspera
0:09:44 – Próspera’s three regulatory tracks explained
0:12:16 – Insurance and why the “do anything” meme in Próspera is wrong
0:13:23 – Gene therapy fear factor: “Frankenstein” intuitions and what it actually is
0:14:07 – Why gene therapy matters: inherited disease, and Vladimir's son’s deafness story
0:18:16 – Embryo editing, embryo selection, and what is (not) possible today
0:19:05 – How gene therapy works in practice: adding corrected DNA without editing the original
0:21:40 – Netherlands vs Próspera, and the clinic partnership model
0:22:16 – The therapy “menu”: VGF now, follistatin next (and what they do)
0:26:44 – Is aging “designed” by evolution, or a side effect evolution ignored?
0:29:52 – Naked mole rats, turtles, and species that seem to “escape” aging
0:43:31 – Near-death experience, psychedelics, and the existential side of living forever
1:10:42 – AI abundance, meaning, and why humans may have to self-impose challenges
1:30:23 – The “mystical scientific problem” of aging

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