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Judging Freedom

INTEL Roundtable w/ Johnson & McGovern: Weekly Wrap

Feb 21, 2025
Renowned intelligence expert Ray McGovern and former CIA analyst Larry Johnson dive deep into the evolution of U.S. foreign aid into covert operations, starting with the Clinton administration. They dissect the intricate connections between USAID and the CIA, raising alarms about corruption in international aid. Speculating on a controversial bombing possibly linked to Mossad, they also address power dynamics involving Trump and Netanyahu. The discussion extends to the complexities of the Gaza conflict and U.S.-Ukrainian relations, emphasizing the need for integrity in intelligence.
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Quick takeaways

  • The U.S. intelligence community has increasingly used foreign aid, particularly through USAID, as a covert means to influence regime changes since the Clinton administration.
  • Corruption among U.S. politicians connected to foreign aid and arms deals raises ethical concerns regarding the integrity of foreign policy and democratic values.

Deep dives

Covert Action and Foreign Aid

Foreign aid has increasingly been used as a means for covert action by the U.S. intelligence community, particularly since the Clinton administration. During this period, mechanisms like USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy became conduits for funding efforts that promote regime change or influence, exemplified by the onset of color revolutions such as the Arab Spring and the situation in Ukraine. With significant budget increases for USAID under subsequent administrations, it became apparent that these organizations were at times operating in tandem with CIA objectives, raising ethical and operational concerns. Analysts and former operatives acknowledge the blurred lines between foreign aid and covert operations, indicating a systemic challenge within the intelligence structure itself.

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