Managing expectations for a Ukraine counteroffensive

For more than a year, Ukraine has defied predictions with its resistance, but senior leaders – including the country’s defense minister – are now trying to manage expectations for a much-anticipated counteroffensive. The key, of course, is support from nations like the US, but there is a sense the NATO alliance is calling for visible results before providing more weapons. Former Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe is a longstanding friend of President Biden and has just traveled to close to the frontlines in Ukraine. He joins the show from Kyiv. 

Also on today's show: Ali Vaez, Director of Iran Project, International Crisis Group; Gretchen Morgenson, Co-author, “These Are the Plunderers” 

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