Mick Ryan: Former Australian Major General and strategist on the meeting between Russia and Ukraine

Ukraine and Russia are set for the first direct talks since the war began. 

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is personally attending the talks in the coming hours in Turkey. 

The Kremlin's sending a delegation, and has confirmed it will not include Russian President Vladimir Putin, instead being led by Vladimir Medinsky. 

Former Australian Major General Mick Ryan told Mike Hosking Ukraine is likely to remain pretty pragmatic in negotiating a ceasefire. 

He says a war termination agreement may see them accept that Russia is temporarily occupying Ukrainian territory, but they’ve been clear they won’t accept that they’re parts of Russia.  

Ryan says while they want peace, they’ve made it clear they won’t accept peace at any price. 

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