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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Judging Sam: Week 2 Catch-up with Michael Lewis

Oct 16, 2023
Reporter and author Michael Lewis catches up with Lidia Jean on the progress of Sam Bankman-Fried's trial. They discuss Caroline Ellison's testimony, behavior and risk-taking mindset of Sam, and upcoming testimony of the Emotional Intelligence Unit. They also touch on humor, advertisements, and future plans.
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  • Caroline Ellison expressed fear and believed leaving Sam Bankman Freed's company would lead to its downfall.
  • Sam Bankman Freed exhibited a willingness to take risks and delegate them to others despite minimizing catastrophic risk.

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Caroline Ellison's Testimony

During Caroline Ellison's testimony, she described her experiences working for Sam Bankman Freed and how she regretted the decision. She expressed that working for Sam was the biggest mistake of her life. Although she considered resigning, Sam convinced her not to, as he believed they needed her. Caroline conveyed a sense of fear and stability as she believed that leaving would lead to the company's downfall.

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