Award-winning novelist Charles Yu is joined by his friend, sci fi and fantasy author Charlie Jane Anders, to discuss Yu's novel Interior Chinatown, newly published in paperback and awarded the National Book Award just two weeks before this discussion! Their conversation touches on metafiction, working in TV, satire in 2020, subjectivity (especially for those who aren't often granted it), being a protagonist vs. being a narrator, and being the only Asian American in the room, and includes a brilliant image of the artist as musician: "the instrument you play makes a sound that only you can make." (Recorded December 1, 2020)