Chat_142 - Ai, Bitcoin and 5th Generation Warfare with Jordan and Average Gary

Aug 27, 2025

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"There have never been more tools available to the individual than there have been today.
And it's like cryptography is like the thing. If cryptography is like the wheel, like we invented the wheel. Okay, cool. We have a wheelbarrow and we have a cart and stuff like that. Bitcoin is now like this engine that is enabling these wheels to turn at a rate that a lot of people are sleeping on."
~ Average Gary

In this episode, I sit down with Average Gary and Jordan from Bitcoin Veterans for a wide-ranging conversation that moves from military life to Bitcoin, from raising kids to the future of AI. We dig into their backgrounds in the service, the moments that shifted their perspectives, and how those experiences now shape their work in the Bitcoin space.

What does it mean to be “peaceful, not harmless”? How do you balance the weight of family legacy with the urgency of building tools for freedom? And in a world of information warfare, how do we discern truth from deception?

We also explore the rise of vibe coding, the promise and pitfalls of AI, and why open-source collaboration matters more than ever. Along the way, we touch on the upcoming Bitcoin Veterans Summit, the role of mining in sovereignty, and the deeper question of what it means to leave behind a lasting impact.

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Bitcoin Veterans Website (Link: https://x.com/real_vijay)
Bitcoin Veterans on X (Link: https://x.com/BitcoinVeterans/)
Bitcoin Veterans Summit 2025 (Link: https://bitcoinveterans.org/summit2025/)
Bitcoin Veterans on Nostr (Link: https://tinyurl.com/pa3nudta)

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