Should the law be more forgiving? Martha Minow, former dean of Harvard Law School, joins Preet for a wide-ranging conversation on what justice means today—inside and beyond the courtroom. They discuss the erosion of public trust in the legal system, the dangers of outcome-driven thinking, and why Minow believes we can’t “achieve” justice. Plus, they explore how self-interest in the Trump era has eroded our institutions, from the Supreme Court to Congress.

In the bonus for Insiders, Minow explores whether judges should be more outspoken amid the rise of political attacks, death threats, and a breakdown in civic education.

Then, Preet answers listener questions.

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