LMArena cofounders Anastasios N. Angelopoulos, Wei-Lin Chiang, and Ion Stoica sit down with a16z general partner Anjney Midha to talk about the future of AI evaluation. As benchmarks struggle to keep up with the pace of real-world deployment, LMArena is reframing the problem: what if the best way to test AI models is to put them in front of millions of users and let them vote? The team discusses how Arena evolved from a research side project into a key part of the AI stack, why fresh and subjective data is crucial for reliability, and what it means to build a CI/CD pipeline for large models.

They also explore:

Why expert-only benchmarks are no longer enough.
How user preferences reveal model capabilities — and their limits.
What it takes to build personalized leaderboards and evaluation SDKs.
Why real-time testing is foundational for mission-critical AI.

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Anastasios N. Angelopoulos

Wei-Lin Chiang

Ion Stoica

Anjney Midha

Timestamps

0:04 - LLM evaluation: From consumer chatbots to mission-critical systems

6:04 - Style and substance: Crowdsourcing expertise

18:51 - Building immunity to overfitting and gaming the system

29:49 - The roots of LMArena

41:29 - Proving the value of academic AI research

48:28 - Scaling LMArena and starting a company

59:59 - Benchmarks, evaluations, and the value of ranking LLMs

1:12:13 - The challenges of measuring AI reliability

1:17:57 - Expanding beyond binary rankings as models evolve

1:28:07 - A leaderboard for each prompt

1:31:28 - The LMArena roadmap

1:34:29 - The importance of open source and openness

1:43:10 - Adapting to agents (and other AI evolutions)

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