Voices from ROOM: A Podcast for Analytic Action

Fascism's Erotic Lure with Sue Grand

Apr 24, 2025
In this discussion, Sue Grand, a faculty member at NYU specializing in psychotherapy and psychoanalysis, explores the seductive elements of fascism. She connects toxic masculinity with charismatic leaders and examines how gender dynamics play a role in right-wing ideologies. Sue reflects on the allure of authoritarian rhetoric, especially during the Trump years, and the psychological factors at work in identifying with aggressors. The conversation emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and community support in resisting oppressive forces.
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ANECDOTE

Personal Roots of Anti-Fascism

  • Sue Grand shares her personal background as the daughter of a Jewish liberator of Dachau.
  • This upbringing instilled a strong resolve to never be a bystander to fascism and oppression.
INSIGHT

Erotic Charge Fuels Fascism

  • Fascism’s power lies in the complex erotic charge between leader and followers.
  • This erotic field entwines violent masculinity with denied homoerotic desires, fueling fascist fervor.
INSIGHT

Women’s Paradoxical Role in Fascism

  • Fascist regimes enforce rigid gender roles with extreme misogyny.
  • Yet, alt-right women paradoxically gain phallic power through violence and militancy.
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